Subject: Re: [LINUX:7695] Re: [linux.org.tr] (fwd)
From: Ozgur C. Demir (ocd@lords.com)
Date: Wed 21 Jul 1999 - 13:47:45 EET DST
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Andreas Mueller wrote:
> Sorry, i`m also an member, other also, is not every person which is
> interested about Linux, an Part of Linux-Tuerkiye ?
> You HAVE to tell every person about YOUR plans, at least such an
> importend thing announced at www.linux.org.tr, with the possibility
> for an voting System.
Of course they are, there is an invitation for 2 years to all Linux users
in Turkey. Becouse, Turkish Linux User Community couldnt do anything serious
for my mind for 2 years. All that we done is talking about what we will do
in the future. And this movement is result of those 2 years.
Persons in last meeting is not an elite group in Turkish Linux Users, I
meet some people in the meeting. I cant remember how much person was
there. But i know, every person who was there is the part of the people
which talk about communities future in last 2 years.
> I know nothing about this Meeting. Also other closed friends
Dont know know Gorkem ? Gorkem was there? Burak also.
> > This Community need somethings which all known by everbody such as,
> > 1. A Continuous income,
> It not possible with an linux.org Domain
If community MUST spend money, it also MUST earn money.
> > 2. A Website which updates everyday *or two times in a week at least*
> the German Linux-Page is updated hourly :-)
How lucky they are, but we are not. If anyone can do this, they are
welcome.
> > 3. To become an authority about Linux in Turkey
>
> Now your kindly and stupid
> arx, maybe invest much more time with coding _for_ linux, stop the stupid
> disscussions and start to work.
If Turkish Linux Community cant become authority for Linux in Turkey,
anyone can say in a TV program "I am the leader of Turkish Linux
Community". For that reason it is a MUST objective. After we organize this
structure we will continue to coding. I personally dont believe, these
discussions are stupid.
> An poor argument, i posted this thread also to slashdot the hole world
> start to smile about _your_ Ideas. Maybe your invest more enery
> _for_ Linux.How do you think Linux is Developed ? It`s developed
> by everyone`s personal enery without any commercial mind.
We cant give a different way to our movements with someones smiling. I
personally dont care what they think. Do you ?
I think you and your smiling friends ought to understand one thing. "This
is not a commercial movement". Community needs something and can't provide
money for satisfy this needs with another way. If you know one, please let
us know.
> > If anyone thoughts this way is wrong, he must show another way.
>
> Whats about Courses, monthly Meetings, building local User Groups,
> an Web-List with ( their Telefon+E-mail ) people which are able to help
> diffent topics. Rent an Installation Set for Free for people which have
> less moeny. Mountly FAQ`s posting. Give people information about SPAM
> Offer an SPAM Free Country like Europe, US ... There are many Ideas BUT
> you just MAKE it, if your discuss or think how i`m going to be rich,
> is the wrong way.
No one can be rich with 5 million TL. I dont believe a person in community
try to earn money under/with linux.org.tr domain name. And this is a
serious accuse. No one sent me a private mail to join the meeting, i read
this mail from mailing list.
> if i hear "some of our friends", if linux.org.tr needs help for
> WEBdeveloping anncounce THIS, and you find people , but if your friend is
> busy theres is still all time this lag. Dammed linux.org.tr is not your
^^^^^^^^^
?????????????????????????
> private gambling area.
>
> I know minimum 5 People which are able to help, i think just in this List
> you find minimum 2 people, or ?
So, they can say " yes i can help".. isnt it ? but i cant see any
messages until now. If they are waiting for a discussion like this, this means
these people does not take this subject like a serious job.
> why ? theres no technical reason
If they are exist for 2 years and you dont say anything until they became
avaible with a cost, this means you are not against them existance... you
are against their cost. right ?
> *g* i spoke before, with importend people at Linux-Realted things,
> all of them agreed, that THIS is more more Step Linux.org.tr is going
> to be comercial.
no one think like these in community.
> We decided to put this Articel to Slashdot, i dont know if you know
> Linus has iirc and what else can happen. If you keep linux.org.tr as an
> non-free Organisation, I`M your biggest enemy. And i`ll do all things
> to stop you !
linux.org.tr is a free Organization. It s not commercial ? how you can
think like this ?
> YOUR have no plan how an organisation works.Still is very lagy,
> but your MUST ask the/all pleople what they think/wish AND if your
> cant accept, build our own Company and play insite your Organisation
> the Big Boss, but NOT undercover Linux.
I m repeating again, our objective is not being commercial. Fees for only
satisfy communities needings. And no one plays Big Boss.
> > Maybe... please let us know if you have any.
> ^^
> us .. dammed we ALL are the linux-family not YOU`R
yes we are, the word "US" points the people who works for community for
years. And you can easly join this team. What dont you ?
> > Ozgur C. Demir
> > Koc.NET
>
> P.S. if your work at KOC ? Your ask your Bosses what they can do for Linux
> ? Your Arguments are still poor.
Yes as you can see i m working at KocSistem. But this is not important. I
am not manager in KocSistem and i can't decide for my company. Be sure, if
i could do, i would do. By the other hand, it doesnt make Mr. Right Man,
your companies activities.
> At least i give your time until end of this Week to think again.
:)) if you are try to win andreas@reallyfunny.linux.org.tr dont try so
hard, there will be no such as a domain :)
Ozgur C. Demir
Koc.NET
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