Subject: Re: [LINUX:7710] Re: [linux.org.tr] (fwd)
From: Andreas Mueller (amu@bimel.com.tr)
Date: Wed 21 Jul 1999 - 16:32:13 EET DST
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Ozgur C. Demir wrote:
Dear Mustafa, Ozgur and others
The followup-Discussion is moved to Slashdot, comming soon Justin
announce the thread, you should put your statements ( offical ) there.
Just wait a little, the timezone at usa is behind us.
http://www.slashdot.org
At least i`m tried to give more statements, read what other peoples
post to this thread and accept their minds.
Dont forget to post announcements to your webpage, i`m subscribed
_today_ to this Maillinglist. You should keep linux.org.tr FREE.
To change something at the Organisation, i agree totaly.
>
> > Sorry, i`m also an member, other also, is not every person which is
> > interested about Linux, an Part of Linux-Tuerkiye ?
> > You HAVE to tell every person about YOUR plans, at least such an
> > importend thing announced at www.linux.org.tr, with the possibility
> > for an voting System.
>
> Of course they are, there is an invitation for 2 years to all Linux users
> in Turkey. Becouse, Turkish Linux User Community couldnt do anything serious
> for my mind for 2 years. All that we done is talking about what we will do
> in the future. And this movement is result of those 2 years.
> Persons in last meeting is not an elite group in Turkish Linux Users, I
> meet some people in the meeting. I cant remember how much person was
> there. But i know, every person who was there is the part of the people
> which talk about communities future in last 2 years.
>
> > I know nothing about this Meeting. Also other closed friends
>
> Dont know know Gorkem ? Gorkem was there? Burak also.
>
> > > This Community need somethings which all known by everbody such as,
> > > 1. A Continuous income,
> > It not possible with an linux.org Domain
>
> If community MUST spend money, it also MUST earn money.
>
> > > 2. A Website which updates everyday *or two times in a week at least*
> > the German Linux-Page is updated hourly :-)
>
> How lucky they are, but we are not. If anyone can do this, they are
> welcome.
>
> > > 3. To become an authority about Linux in Turkey
> >
> > Now your kindly and stupid
> > arx, maybe invest much more time with coding _for_ linux, stop the stupid
> > disscussions and start to work.
>
> If Turkish Linux Community cant become authority for Linux in Turkey,
> anyone can say in a TV program "I am the leader of Turkish Linux
> Community". For that reason it is a MUST objective. After we organize this
> structure we will continue to coding. I personally dont believe, these
> discussions are stupid.
>
> > An poor argument, i posted this thread also to slashdot the hole world
> > start to smile about _your_ Ideas. Maybe your invest more enery
> > _for_ Linux.How do you think Linux is Developed ? It`s developed
> > by everyone`s personal enery without any commercial mind.
>
> We cant give a different way to our movements with someones smiling. I
> personally dont care what they think. Do you ?
>
> I think you and your smiling friends ought to understand one thing. "This
> is not a commercial movement". Community needs something and can't provide
> money for satisfy this needs with another way. If you know one, please let
> us know.
>
> > > If anyone thoughts this way is wrong, he must show another way.
> >
> > Whats about Courses, monthly Meetings, building local User Groups,
> > an Web-List with ( their Telefon+E-mail ) people which are able to help
> > diffent topics. Rent an Installation Set for Free for people which have
> > less moeny. Mountly FAQ`s posting. Give people information about SPAM
> > Offer an SPAM Free Country like Europe, US ... There are many Ideas BUT
> > you just MAKE it, if your discuss or think how i`m going to be rich,
> > is the wrong way.
>
> No one can be rich with 5 million TL. I dont believe a person in community
> try to earn money under/with linux.org.tr domain name. And this is a
> serious accuse. No one sent me a private mail to join the meeting, i read
> this mail from mailing list.
>
> > if i hear "some of our friends", if linux.org.tr needs help for
> > WEBdeveloping anncounce THIS, and you find people , but if your friend is
> > busy theres is still all time this lag. Dammed linux.org.tr is not your
> ^^^^^^^^^
> ?????????????????????????
>
> > private gambling area.
> >
> > I know minimum 5 People which are able to help, i think just in this List
> > you find minimum 2 people, or ?
>
> So, they can say " yes i can help".. isnt it ? but i cant see any
> messages until now. If they are waiting for a discussion like this, this means
> these people does not take this subject like a serious job.
>
> > why ? theres no technical reason
>
> If they are exist for 2 years and you dont say anything until they became
> avaible with a cost, this means you are not against them existance... you
> are against their cost. right ?
>
> > *g* i spoke before, with importend people at Linux-Realted things,
> > all of them agreed, that THIS is more more Step Linux.org.tr is going
> > to be comercial.
>
> no one think like these in community.
>
> > We decided to put this Articel to Slashdot, i dont know if you know
> > Linus has iirc and what else can happen. If you keep linux.org.tr as an
> > non-free Organisation, I`M your biggest enemy. And i`ll do all things
> > to stop you !
>
> linux.org.tr is a free Organization. It s not commercial ? how you can
> think like this ?
>
> > YOUR have no plan how an organisation works.Still is very lagy,
> > but your MUST ask the/all pleople what they think/wish AND if your
> > cant accept, build our own Company and play insite your Organisation
> > the Big Boss, but NOT undercover Linux.
>
> I m repeating again, our objective is not being commercial. Fees for only
> satisfy communities needings. And no one plays Big Boss.
>
> > > Maybe... please let us know if you have any.
> > ^^
> > us .. dammed we ALL are the linux-family not YOU`R
>
> yes we are, the word "US" points the people who works for community for
> years. And you can easly join this team. What dont you ?
>
> > > Ozgur C. Demir
> > > Koc.NET
> >
> > P.S. if your work at KOC ? Your ask your Bosses what they can do for Linux
> > ? Your Arguments are still poor.
>
> Yes as you can see i m working at KocSistem. But this is not important. I
> am not manager in KocSistem and i can't decide for my company. Be sure, if
> i could do, i would do. By the other hand, it doesnt make Mr. Right Man,
> your companies activities.
>
> > At least i give your time until end of this Week to think again.
>
> :)) if you are try to win andreas@reallyfunny.linux.org.tr dont try so
> hard, there will be no such as a domain :)
>
>
> Ozgur C. Demir
> Koc.NET
>
>
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