Subject: Re: [LINUX:7685] [linux.org.tr] (fwd)
From: Ozgur C. Demir (ocd@lords.com)
Date: Wed 21 Jul 1999 - 10:48:22 EET DST
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Andreas Mueller wrote:
Hi,
> TRLUUG, both of them are personal friends of mine. There were no
> discussion between users and officials before, the fee was simply
> dictated.
The word `dictated' is extremelly wrong for this subject. While deciding
this, Every Linux list members are invited to meeting for organizing a
Turkish Linux Group Management Committee via E-mail. Meetings place, date
and time was announced in list. Every person who joins the meeting could
vote for decisions. And i personnaly reject the word `Dictated'.
This Community need somethings which all known by everbody such as,
1. A Continuous income,
2. A Website which updates everyday *or two times in a week at least*
3. To become an authority about Linux in Turkey
These needs does exist for years. Everybody in Turkish Linux Community try
to solve these problems until now. But no one could. So, at the last
meeting, community decided to solve these problems this way.
If anyone thoughts this way is wrong, he must show another way.
> a) To hire a partime student. I know that there are many students
> who create webpages for free projects for free. (Look at
> http://www.debian.org/ for example)
Until now, some of our friends tried to update Linux.org.tr website, but
it is not enough to keep updated a serious web site. It anyone accepts to
create web pages for Linux.org.tr as a serious job, there are no problem
for anyone.
> b) In a free group (like the Linux community) all email addresses
> have some "worth". It doesn't make sense to create subdomains
> within such a linux.<tld> domain. We don't need a new two-level
> hierarchy.
This structure was not accepted in last meeting, these subdomains already
exist for months.
> c) Maybe comming soon, members.linux.org.tr will also be splitted
> into active and passive, stupid and clever.
maybe funny or boring. ocd@boring.linux.org.tr fits me, isnt it ?
Please, understand the point, we dont try to categorize people.
> d) Mr. Gorkem does his job all for free. If he can't do this
> anymore, we have to look for somebody else. There are many people
> who would like to help.
Hmm, i remember Gorkem was there with us while meeting. And he approved
all decisions as i remember.
You say "there are many people who would like to help", but we cant found
them ? where ? we all open to help, please let us know.
> f) Support for Linux. There are three commercial companies at
> Tuerkiye, that provide professional support for Linux. One of
> them, I support with FREE bandwith, with a computer hosted in our
> network. The other is the company I work for, we also give FREE
> support for Linux, including freebies for people who can't afford
> purchasing a CD.
The objective of Turkish Linux Community is being authorative in Turkey.
If you say "We supported Linux in Turkey", the founding you have to supprt
is not a commerical founding. Noone can say anything your relationship
with any assocation but with this relationship you cant say " We support
Linux in Turkey".
> A short time ago I started a new project to translate Debian into
> Turkish. This includes webpages as well, I searched for peoples who
> can help. I found 40 (fourty) people who wanted to work on this this
> project FOR FREE. They spend their time thats all. I also invited
> the German Linux Community to Tuerkiye last year. 20 people have had
> very much fun time. The Sponsors were the airplane company Akdeniz, a
> local HighSchool, the German Unix User Group and myself. I even have
> paid for hotel and meal for the Turkish people out of my own pocket.
We all thankful to you.
> My personal activity for Linux at Tuerkiye is very, very HIGH.
> Richard Stallman visited Tuerkiye one month ago. Now linux.org.tr
> acts like a commercial company. Is this what we deserve?
No, you are wrong.. this activity cannot define as "Commercial Company"
> I don't believe so. If your new plan to make Linux much more
> attractive, please walk around and ask people who would work for
> FREE. I'm sure you can find people. You can also find sponsors. For
> example, when Richard Stallman visited Turkiye, I asked my boss if we
> could provide him a car. He agreed,
Linux community was wait idle for only this. "walking around and ask
people "What will we do?", the condition is the result.
> It's also serious that there's no protocol about your meeting or other
> people don't know about this secret event. At least the situation
> very dim about what happend with linux.org.tr and I cannot accept this
> situation. Dont forget Linux is an operating system developed by
> many, many people and these people invested _their_ free time to
> develop it. I'll also say thanks that I'm able to choose to use this
> great product for FREE.
It was not secret. Well known by everbody who reads the list.
> Maybe linux.org.tr needs new Ideas, but if you get money from
> individuals this is the wrong way. Other people replied to me with a
> "big thank" for my posting, but they hesitated to post themselves such
> a letter. Please think again about your ideas for linux.org.tr.
Maybe... please let us know if you have any.
Ozgur C. Demir
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